YT153 surah 23 full translation

Salaamun Alaykum. Sultan, I find myself in the same situation. Like you I really need as much of the translation as is available in order to study, toil, read and reflect in silence. I find it very hard to study without it. I also have taken screen shots from the video but its often incomplete as you say. Also having photos is not the best format for adding notes etc. Patience is key as we all know! I ask Allah alone to help this whole project progress in the bast way possible! Love to all! ❤️

Salaamun alaykum Abdalhafidh, yes we are all awaiting that full complete translation. I manage by whatever there are available and when references made to other parts not yet MQed I wud try to fly ‘solo’ with the Sahih Int version…very low flight. I suppose that’s how it will be as I think we are ever in the Process, always in the Layerings. Yes Patience is key, our dua as well.

Salamun Alaykum sultan am sorry for your frustrations there's no full translation of the whole Quran yet Dr Hany is still toiling to achieve the goal, may Allahh continue to increase you in knowledge and patience I think for most of us newbies let me speak on my own behalf l fell in to the same anxiety I wanted to have all the verses translated , l wanted to have the methodology laid out step by step in bold neon colours perhaps even have a booklet no infact several books📒📘📗 l literally wanted a silver or golden spoon if possible.

However l quickly realized that that anxiety was actually a sign that my Waltenshuung was adjusting and slowly adapting and being treamed to fit the new landscape wherein every rock, path, vegetation the singing birds everything including the the very sand my feet were stepping on felt strange, sending signals to my brain that my own brain interpreted as a threat. My default primitive involuntary brain reaction was having one and only mission to protect me and eliminate the threat l found myself helpless, powerless, weak,unsure,insecure and completely vulnerable.

But l slowly started to understand through qunoot that where my capabilities end or my own mind shut down or took an unsolicited vacation and abandoned me that was an opportunity clearing the pathway for me to now open myself avail myself and surrender to Allahh to beg for the restoration of the channels of communication .

As time went by l persisted to expose myself to the locution and methodology watch the YouTube videos one by one sometimes repeat taking colourful notes verbertim

And slowly at first every new concept every new word every dismantling of the paste 1400years illusion sent shockwaves vibrations throughout the entire being my innermost core was shaken so l had to keep on telling myself am here and that's what matters. It's uncomfortable but there's no where l would rather be.

Guess what you can imagine the first time while exposing myself thinking nothing is happening vwalla!!!! I hear a word and find my mind repeating the meaning almost like someone else speaking inside my 🧠 brain l first stop and look around hopping to see someone next to me having said the meaning but Alas l was all alone. My body experiences a rush of adrenaline which left my whole being frozen and immobilized yet tingling with disbelief excitement literally an out of body experience,

it was from that moment on that the instructions of the toiling donned on me and l understood the true meaning of patience and persistence and discipline thereafter from then onwards lam calm and realize this is not a journey of a lifetime.

The afterlife model suddenly made sense according to the basic kindergarten layer of my understanding within the bounds of the devine knowledge.

Please forgive me in advance in the event my tiny experience does not solve your predicament or frustration my fellow ahl.

The moral of my experience is to Hopefully encourage you to persist, and be deligent and disciplined in your toiling knowing that at any given moment you have everything you need in a form that is safe to you at that particular moment as long as you are struggling to restore communication through toiling just keep at it and continue to self correct as new translation come along and as you strive to unravel the hurr.

But most of all be kind to yourself and realize it's a journey with many stops, luggage, other passengers, heat waves, bust tires, mechanical hiccups and the likes but what matters is you are in the 🚌 so hung in there.

Food for thought 🤔 imagine what it took for Dr Hany to endure when he was struggling to interpret and marvelous Quran project was still in it's infancy this should bring you instant realisations and profound grounding.

All the best you are not alone we are all in this together holding you and each other with best hope just like a mother watching their child fumbling to walk grappling at furniture trying to achieve a state of istawa (balance) , crying, fearful, unsure, falling over and over again but the mother just smiling on with a deep inner knowing watching without a doubt that the child is in the right path and once the muscles acquire enough memory the child will be running around the house let alone walking.

Alhamdulillah 🙏🙏🙏

I found this post by one of our ahl which might help you in terms of realizing the knowledge we have in this forum and the YouTube videos although not complete we can use it and the work is a lot see below for your attention hope it helps

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Toiling on the Daily Abrahamic Locution Duaa for 23rd March 2024

Suhail Sinnalebbe

3 yrFeb 19

Salaamun Alaykum,

This is regarding the exercise Dr Hany posted on the forum: https://www.marvelousquran.org/community/topics/96030/posts/456284-daily-abrahamic-locution-duaa-for-23rd-march-2024

After reading the comments, I started toiling.

3:71
يَٰٓأَهۡلَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ لِمَ تَلۡبِسُونَ ٱلۡحَقَّ بِٱلۡبَٰطِلِ وَتَكۡتُمُونَ ٱلۡحَقَّ وَأَنتُمۡ تَعۡلَمُونَ

O cohort of the (prior) scripture! Why do you confuse the truth with aberrance, and you conceal the truth while you know it?

Narrator aka Jibreel is speaking. Warning our beloved and us of what was to come. I did not know the meaning of aberrance. Usually Batil is translated as falsehood but aberrance is more nuanced. Aberrance is about movement away from truth (deviation) while falsehood is the state of being untrue. My antenna went up as it felt like they are continuously doing this even now. Batil also means lacking validity (no evidence).

This deception is more dangerous than outright falsehood because it appears to be true. Hence, their core scheme/weapon is mawj.

3:72

وَقَالَت طَّآئِفَةٞ مِّنۡ أَهۡلِ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ ءَامِنُواْ بِٱلَّذِيٓ أُنزِلَ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَجۡهَ ٱلنَّهَارِ وَٱكۡفُرُوٓاْ ءَاخِرَهُۥ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَرۡجِعُونَ

And a sect from the cohort of the (prior) scripture said: “Believe in what was made accessible to those who claim to believe, in the first part of the day, and reject at the end of the day, perchance they shall turn back (from their mission).

The target audience for them are not Muminoon but Aamanoo. 

Breaking down the speaker’s words:

• “Believe in what was made accessible to those who claim to believe, in the first part of the day”

  At first, give them approval and make them feel they are on the right path under your validation to those who claim belief (but are still tied to intermediaries).

  • Give approval to gain their trust.

• “Reject at the end of the day”

  Later, pull back your approval (and make them feel uncertain and lost without your validation).

  • Withdraw approval to create doubt (and fear?).

• “Perchance they shall turn back (from their mission)”

  The goal is to make them doubt and give up seeking the connection with Allahh directly.

  • Keep them coming back to maintain control.

This felt like step 1 of their strategy: manipulative control tactic like a psychological trap to keep people confused to seek the benediction from Allahh directly and dependent on intermediaries for validation. And this affirmation and rejection cycle is done everyday twice corresponding to the practice of diligently toiling the Quran twice a day.

3:73

وَلَا تُؤۡمِنُوٓاْ إِلَّا لِمَن تَبِعَ دِينَكُمۡ قُلۡ إِنَّ ٱلۡهُدَىٰ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ أَن يُؤۡتَىٰٓ أَحَدٞ مِّثۡلَ مَآ أُوتِيتُمۡ أَوۡ يُحَآجُّوكُمۡ عِندَ رَبِّكُمۡۗ قُلۡ إِنَّ ٱلۡفَضۡلَ بِيَدِ ٱللَّهِ يُؤۡتِيهِ مَن يَشَآءُۗ وَٱللَّهُ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٞ

(The above sect continues:) “And do not believe except like someone who (blindly) follows your established order. Say (to the believers, in the first part of the day): ‘Indeed, the guidance is the guidance from Allahh,’ lest anyone else is allowed to learn like you were allowed to learn, or they may quarrel against you to your lord. Say (to the believers, at the end of the day): “The benediction is in the hand of Allahh . He allows whomever he wills to learn it!” And Allahh is all-encompassing, provider of evidence-based knowledge .

• “And do not believe except like someone who (blindly) follows your established order”

  Stick to the system; don’t make them question it..

  • Their goal: Don’t let people seek the benediction independently.

• “Say (to the believers, in the first part of the day): ‘Indeed, the guidance is the guidance from Allahh,”

  Use the phrase ‘the guidance is from Allahh’. (but only as we control it).

  • This validation is given in the first part of the day. However, referring to 2:120, the narrator says

     قُلۡ إِنَّ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ هُوَ ٱلۡهُدَىٰۗ

    The expression ‘the guidance’ is postponed in this structure compared to 3:73 to signify exclusivity of guidance and no other path is valid except seeking directly from Allahh. There is a subtle change in 3:73 maybe to show what was their real motivation. So, they don’t promote ontological shirk meaning they affirm that the source of guidance is from Allahh. But the deception comes in the epistemic shirk. The source of evidence-based knowledge is Allahh but through them.

• “lest anyone else is allowed to learn like you were allowed to learn, or they may quarrel against you to your lord”

  If others get what we got, our status is threatened. Or even worse, they may argue that the intermediaries are unnecessary or even misleading.

  • The sect’s goal is to maintain their monopoly, preventing others from questioning their control. So the above affirmation is important.

• "Say (to the believers, at the end of the day): “The benediction is in the hand of Allahh . He allows whomever he wills to learn it!”

  Make people believe that Allah’s benediction is out of their reach and through them they can receive. Even then, it is scarce and only given selectively and we are the gatekeepers.

  • The introduction of the epistemic shirk and the withdrawal tactic at the end of the day so that they can continue to maintain control. The control is maintained by positioning Allahh’s benediction as something scarce.

• And Allahh is all-encompassing, provider of evidence-based knowledge

  Narrator’s Rebuttal:

  Allah’s benediction is not exclusive through them but it is vast and accessible to all seekers who seek through evidence-based knowledge

  • Fadl is not a random gift. We need to seek actively. When they say “Allah grants benediction to whomever he wills to learn it.” meaning “You don’t need to actively seek benediction; just follow us blindly, and perhaps Allahh will grant it to you!” So the mawj is: Allahh grants benediction is true but we don’t need to seek it and just follow blindly is the aberrance. Referring to 57:28, those who believed, need to walk for reconnection clearly negates their assertion.

3:74

يَخۡتَصُّ بِرَحۡمَتِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُۗ وَٱللَّهُ ذُو ٱلۡفَضۡلِ ٱلۡعَظِيمِ

(The above sect continues:) “He constrains (arbitrarily), using his mercy, whomever he wills!” For Allahh is the possessor of the prevalent benediction.

This again the speaker is making a claim that the benediction is scarce to maintain control. And the narrator again is rejecting that claim with the signature that Allahh is the possessor of benediction and it is prevalent.

Dr Hany additionally translated posted the translation of 57:29

لِّئَلَّا يَعۡلَمَ أَهۡلُ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ أَلَّا يَقۡدِرُونَ عَلَىٰ شَيۡءٖ مِّن فَضۡلِ ٱللَّهِ وَأَنَّ ٱلۡفَضۡلَ بِيَدِ ٱللَّهِ يُؤۡتِيهِ مَن يَشَآءُۚ وَٱللَّهُ ذُو ٱلۡفَضۡلِ ٱلۡعَظِيمِ

So that the cohorts of the (prior) scripture do not acquire any evidence-based knowledge that they have no control to restrict anything (received) through the benediction from Allahh, and (do not acquire any evidence-based knowledge when they claimed, in Aya 3:73,) that the benediction is in the hand of Allahh , (claiming, as they did in Āya 3:72, that) he allows whomever he wills to learn it! And Allahh the possessor of the prevalent benediction. 

This again the narrator is rejecting the claims by the speaker asserted in 3:72-73. 

What was interesting is when I went 2 Ayaath before 57:29

57:27

ثُمَّ قَفَّيۡنَا عَلَىٰٓ ءَاثَٰرِهِم بِرُسُلِنَا وَقَفَّيۡنَا بِعِيسَى ٱبۡنِ مَرۡيَمَ وَءَاتَيۡنَٰهُ ٱلۡإِنجِيلَۖ وَجَعَلۡنَا فِي قُلُوبِ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُوهُ رَأۡفَةٗ وَرَحۡمَةٗۚ وَرَهۡبَانِيَّةً ٱبۡتَدَعُوهَا مَا كَتَبۡنَٰهَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ إِلَّا ٱبۡتِغَآءَ رِضۡوَٰنِ ٱللَّهِ فَمَا رَعَوۡهَا حَقَّ رِعَايَتِهَاۖ فَـَٔاتَيۡنَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ مِنۡهُمۡ أَجۡرَهُمۡۖ وَكَثِيرٞ مِّنۡهُمۡ فَٰسِقُونَ

During the time of EIM, many of them innovated a system of ‘Rahbaaniyyah’ traditionally translated as monasticism. Ra-Ha-Ba, the root word, means he feared (fear with a sense of danger or intimidation). The فعلان (falaan) pattern generally conveys intensity or abundance of the root meaning. Rahbaan = Those overwhelmed by fear/dread. 

The -iyyah (يَّة) Form is significant as the iyyah suffix typically denotes to an abstraction or concept like an “-ism”, system, ideology, institutional practice. Therefore, Rahbaaniyyah could mean the institutionalization of fear / a culture or institution that enforces compliance through fear. 

Also, فعلان (Falaan) pattern conveys a temporary, fluctuating state of being overwhelmed by the root meaning. For example, غضبان (Ghadbaan) – Overcome with anger but not always angry. The sect created an institution that enforces compliance through fear like claiming that Allahh’s benediction is through them. So trying to instill fear by constantly reinforcing that if you leave this system, you will lose the benediction from Allahh.

Since this is temporary and fluctuating, they need to reinforce in the morning and evening again and again. 

It feels like most people are overwhelmed by fear to accept the MQ way because of the questions like “how can I pray? What if I go to hell if I don’t follow those injunctions? I don’t have any validation from the scholars I follow etc”. This is caused by this sect even now to reinforce this fear.

This system was created in EIM’s time. Hence the speaker in 3:72-73 could be the Famous Qareen!

The signature in 3:74 and 57:29 is also a prediction that in future, this Rahbaniyyah will be destroyed as Allahh is the possessor of the prevalent benediction. 

رَبَّنَا إِنَّ ٱلْفَضْلَ مِنْكَ إِنَّكَ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ وَإِنَّكَ ذُو ٱلْفَضْلِ ٱلْعَظِيمِ

Rabbanaa Innal-Fadla Minka! Innaka Waassi3on 3aleem! Wa Innaka Zul-Fadlil-3azeem!

Our Lord! The benediction is from you (exclusively you! Not through your hand)! You are all-encompassing, provider of evidence-based knowledge and you are the one controlling the prevalent benediction!

So this AL Duaa is incredibly powerful when viewed as an instrument of resistance and dismantling of the false intermediary fear-mongering system. It’s a supplication and a declaration of our exclusive dependance on Allahh for his benediction and our independence from any human-controlled gatekeeping.

Hence, seeking Fadl exclusively from Allahh will lead to the collapsing of the false system. When individuals seek the benediction from Allah directly, the need for intermediaries evaporates. The sect’s power rests on ignorance, validation, fear and confusion. This supplication is a declaration of our exit from their system and we are asking Allahh to guide us beyond their deception. Is it possible that the double mercy promised in 57:28 is that not only we connect to Allahh directly but also this invokes the collapse of such a system? It not only helps us the living to liberate from their control but also the people of the past? 

Salaamun Alaykum

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nor hanizah abu hanit

3 yrFeb 19

Salaamun alaykum

Dear brother Suhail

It is great to hear from you.

Hanizah

Ruqaya NU

3 yrFeb 19

Thank you

Marvelous Quran

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Very Good Masha Allahh!

Sina Mehrparvar

3 yrFeb 21

Now this is Irrigation, Brilliant.

Arifa Begum

3 yrFeb 23

Salaamun Alaykum.

Alhamdhulillahhi Rabbil 3alami:n.

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Where are the "layers of understanding"?

عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed

3 yrOct 23, 2022

Salaamun Alaykum.

I was thinking about the ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ  as in the term ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ; This is a bit long and I will make use of a few quotes from Dr. Hany from his videos and as well from two of the members of this forum, to find certain perspectives.


Dr. Hany explained in YT63 (in the last part of the series on Sura Abasa) at (00:23:31) about ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ:
"It is the plural of, where this divine rain comes from. It is the plural of the quranic concept of the source of this divine rain. The source of this divine mercy and guidance that Allah swt provides to specific people. So when we read ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡض - as we shall see in many examples, we're talking about ٱلۡأَرۡض being the scriptural text and ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰت - the layers of understanding above it, from which Allah swt brings this divine rain to irrigate your Weltanschauung and repair it and help you, improve your access to the divine guidance in the Quran, Inshallah."

And many confusion about the Qareen that where present on this forum might get solved by asking, where are the layers of understanding?

Obviously the divine repair of our Weltanschauung happens to be an irrigation, but also a trimming of the Weltanschauung, as in YT138 explained, that the "Angels of the Weltanschauung", trim it and are send by Allah. As in YT138 explained, in the Sura Al-Zumar, the trimming by the Angels is related to the expression:  ٱلۡحَمۡدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلۡعَٰلَمِينَ.


There are  two posts from Suhail Sinnalebbe and Imran arif, I wanna share:

1) From Suhail Sinnalebbe:
https://www.marvelousquran.org/community/topics/35762/posts/129646
 
Quote: "Dr Hany translated رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ as The Lord of all the realms. I didn't quite understand this. Also, Dr Bassam Saeh in his book said that this expression is not found in any 7th century Arab poets literature. This word did not even exist. So I was quite curious about this expression.
I came across Surah 26:23-24,
قَالَ فِرۡعَوۡنُ وَمَا رَبُّ ٱلۡعَٰلَمِينَ
Said Pharaoh, "And what is رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ?"
قَالَ رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ
[Musa] said, "The Lord of the layers of understanding and the scriptural text and that between them, if you should be convinced."
These Ayaath seem to give the definition and it is an Abrahamic Locution! [...]" End Quote


Here we have the a second Janna' that "ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ" is related to the expression "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" as in the Ayah (39:75) which was discussed in YT138.

2) So the second post (a comment under a post) from Imran arif:
https://www.marvelousquran.org/community/topics/23661/posts/159708-traduction-of-3alamiin-in-al-fatiha

Quote: "Salamun Alaikum.
Just a few points to ponder. More information / guidance on the subject is welcome

The word "عالَمين" is from root "عَ لَ مَ" and same is the root for "عالِمين" plural with single being "عالِم" which is derived from morpheme "فاعِل" the doer; hence "عالِم"  will mean the knower and "عالِمين" will mean plural - The knowers.

As for "عالَمين" plural of "عالَم", it should be again from same root but morpheme "فاعَل" which actually does not exist in the arabic grammar (to my knowledge); hence I would call it a weakness in those who formulated Arabic Grammar; though more study / research can help identifying other words using morpheme "فاعَل" ... and then we can be sure;

From another angle, however, such vowel difference changes the object to subject and vice versa; like "مستقِر" and "مستقَر"  from  "مفعِل " and "مفعَل"
or  "مستفعِل " and "مستفعَل"   
Meaning "thing with which something is done" and " thing on which something is done"; like an annex of research by Dr Hany on  "قرر" YT-86 ; which indicates:-

“مُسْتَقَرٌّ” – Location (or time)  where something materializes or remains: (Additionally a time or place to seek or deliver insight)
“مُّسْتَقِرٌّ” - Some (thing/one) Firmly in a specific place or at specific time ; OR materialize Decidedly

Here change of Vowel (a to e) has changed the same thing from subject to object;
If this principle is applied, then "عالَم" should mean (instead of the one who knows) something thing about which the knower knows - that should translate into a Realm... meaning a domain of activity or interest or Knowledge; so when we say the Lord of All Realms , it would mean lord of all domains of knowledge...

Thanks" End Quote

First: the exact source is YT86 at (01:17:21) in a spreadsheet right a second after when Dr. Hany scrolls down.

Second: A clarification about the Kitab as (the Quran in) our Weltanschauung:

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(56:79) إِنَّهُۥ لَقُرۡءَانٞ كَرِيمٞ (56:77) فِي كِتَٰبٖ مَّكۡنُونٖ (56:78) لَّا يَمَسُّهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُونَ
["It is a noble Quran, in a conceiled record (the Weltanschauung), which is not affected except by the purified (Angels)."]
"The word ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُون decribes the angels. The angels have access to a conceiled record; كِتَٰبٖ مَّكۡنُون - hidden, conceiled, covered up. You don't have access to it yourself - the angels have access to it! And therefore it not you who can affected, who can influence it, change it, move it in any kind of direction you please; only the angels have access to it and the proof - again; كِتَٰب; is used in this Ayah from Surat Isra:
"(17:14) وَكُلَّ إِنسَٰنٍ أَلۡزَمۡنَٰهُ طَـٰٓئِرَهُۥ فِي عُنُقِهِۦ ۖ وَنُخۡرِجُ لَهُۥ يَوۡمَ ٱلۡقِيَٰمَةِ كِتَٰبٗا يَلۡقَىٰهُ مَنشُورًا (17:13) ٱقۡرَأۡ كِتَٰبَكَ كَفَىٰ بِنَفۡسِكَ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ عَلَيۡكَ حَسِيبٗا)" 
["... And on the day of 'Qiyamah' we bring out for every person a 'kitab', that he finds, on that day, exposed: Read your book. Today, your 'nafs' suffice as a record keeper over yourself.]
"ٱقۡرَأۡ كِتَٰبَكَ": It's your own book! This is what this Ayah [56:78] is talking about. Your own book, your own Weltanschauung, as we explained it."
[YT86; 00:14:54]

"So this Ayah right here from Surat Isra; And on the day of 'Qiyamah' we bring out for every person a 'kitab' - this is the exact same word 'kitab' [56:78]; 'kitab' for every person that he finds, on that day, exposed - in front of him! All of a sudden he sees exactly what was in his Weltanschauung. Read your book.Today, your 'nafs' suffice as a record keeper over yourself. And Allah swt in this Ayah is revealing to us, that we have been recording our own deeds, our own actions, our own thoughts, our own intentions. All of them in this 'kitab maknoon'. Therefore this 'Quran' [56:77], that is being talked about or discussed about in here - to understand it, you must really understand this concept of 'kitab maknoon'; فِي كِتَٰبٍ مَّكۡنُون. In other words: in your own Weltanschauung you take in the meanings of the Quran - as we explained. The meanings are not in the words. The 'kitab' that is being addressed in here [56:78] is not the physical tome - the book itself - no, it's not. it is talking about the 'kitab' that Allah preserves in your own 'nafs' and that 'nafs' is being totally monitored by the angels and modified and affected - affected: يَمَسُّهُ; by the angels.[(56:79) لَّا يَمَسُّهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُونَ ]."
[YT86; 00:16:44]

2.
(45:29) هَٰذَا كِتَٰبُنَا يَنطِقُ عَلَيۡكُم بِٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ إِنَّا كُنَّا نَسۡتَنسِخُ مَا كُنتُمۡ تَعۡمَلُونَ
„This here is our book (i.e., the Quran) proclaiming against you in truth: We have been having others (i.e., the Angels, or humans) strengthen all that you used to work (of terminology in your worldview).“
[YT54; 00:45:30]
„Allah swt is saying: Our book gave you the warnings, you refused them. And then we had others - either Angels or other humans strengthens the conclusions that you falsely reached.“
[YT54; 00:46:29]

As you can see, the correct Weltanschauung that is purified by "the Ayat of Allah from the Quran" - as the 'kitab' is proclaiming against those, who followed erroneous ways of toiling and therefore got affected by the Angels and the bad Qareen, is not just "your book", but the "message in your record" which is made accessible by the correction of the angels for your toiling".

And our Weltanschauung is also related to the dimension where the Qareen resides.


So in conclusion:
1. رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ (the lord of all realms [of the layers of understanding above the scripture with the scripture])
2. ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ (the layers of understanding)
3. كِتَٰبٍ مَّكۡنُون (the conceiled 'record')
4. كِتَٰبَكَ (your 'record')
5. ٱلۡعَرۡش (Weltanschauung)

are related concepts.

As Imran arif explained "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" it means "lord of all domains of knowledge". But it is also related to people:
The ending "ينَ" refers in Arabic grammar to people in masculine plural, which is used if the group is  either "male" or "male and female". So it would be also appropiate to translate "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" as:
" the nourishing lord of all people that are the domains of evidence based knowledge [about the layers of understanding above the scripture with the scripture]". 

(Remember: 
Surah 26:23-24: قَالَ فِرۡعَوۡنُ وَمَا رَبُّ ٱلۡعَٰلَمِينَ
Said Pharaoh, "And what is رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ?"
قَالَ رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ
[Musa] said, "The Lord of the layers of understanding [above the scripture] and [with] the scriptural text and that between them, if you should be convinced."

And as Imran arif wrote: "The word "عالَمين" is from root "عَ لَ مَ" and same is the root for "عالِمين" plural with single being "عالِم" which is derived from morpheme "فاعِل" the doer; hence "عالِم"  will mean the knower and "عالِمين" will mean plural - The knowers."   -  so, علم as the evidence based knowledge, and Allah as the العليم - the one who provides evidence based knowledge.)

I personally have the feeling that the line of Musa to Fir3aun:  رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ
doesn't mean just "The Lord of the layers of understanding [above the scripture] and [with] the scriptural text and that between them, if you should be convinced.", 
but that "وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ" could also be read as "and there is NOTHING (مَا  as a negation particle, instead of meaning "that": مَا ), between them." So between the layers of understanding are no "gaps inbetween" - could this be a reasonable concept? Or does it include also the scriptural text - that:
"وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ" means:
"there are no gaps in understanding (no room for doubts and unsolvable questions, no room for wild, wrong and confusing interpretation), between [the layers of understanding and the scriptural text], if you were among those with certainty  (مُّوقِنِينَ) (or those who receive certainty about the layers of understanding above the scripture with the scriptural text) [from their Rabb]." - I think these notions fit a bit more.


So I have certain crazy questions - I know they sound weird:

So could this mean that the "ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ"  exist in the same dimension, where our actual "evidence based knowledge" resides; in the abstract layer, where also the Ayat resides as part of our Weltanschauung? Could this mean, the Throne of Ar-Rahman is metaphysically everywhere in the Universe?
If the Angels irrigating and trimming the Weltanschauung and the Qareen also affect it, could this mean, that our universe is just a bubble of a bigger reality, where "our" mental constitution, was in existence before the evolution developed the brain - as a source-code, to develop the universe with humans and animals and brains having access to a Weltanschauung? 


So this is just a little bit of my wondering and pondering for today. I hope you had fun and thank you for reading.


Salaamun Alaykum.

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Ramon Quimson

3 yrOct 24, 2022

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MaasyaaAllah 

What did I just witness? 

Kitaab is part of nafs? Like shaytaan? 

Our beloved Tayr is truly a Luqman. Giving us luqm from day 1 till we’re ready to have this conversation. 

Salaamun alaykum 🥳

عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed

3 yrOct 24, 2022

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Salaamun Alaykum.

That’s why people shouldn’t miss to watch the earlier segments. They seem „basic“, but they discuss so many important concepts, that built up to an advanced understanding.

Salaamun Alaykum.

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Baraka Gerngross

2 yrOct 24, 2022

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ما شاء الله 
Thank you for the journey inside ourselves and the entire universe. It is a great example of unity
سلام عليكم

Mohammad -

3 yrOct 24, 2022

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Salaamun Alaykum,

I have a theory/hypothesis which I'm yet to work on.

I (sort of) understand now that the Angels that tidy up the Arsh are Prophets and messengers. By the permission of Allah, they assist with solidifying and correcting your understanding of the Quran.
 - E.g. If you have a question about an Ayah to do with Musa, Allah commands Musa (the Angel maintaining your Arsh) to assist with your understanding of that Ayah.

My questions:
1) How many angels are mentioned in the Quran?
2) Are these named Angels specific Prophets and Messengers?
3) Could each of these Angels (i.e. Prophets or Messengers) be responsible for each of the layers of understanding?

I'd like to reiterate that this is simply a hypothesis, I haven't dug into it yet. 

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Mohammad -

3 yrOct 25, 2022

@Attaulhai Ahmed

JazakAllah bro

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Rani Ramo

3 yrOct 26, 2022

Salamun 3Alaykum,
Masha Allah, Nice work brother

Shaahid Abba

3 yrNov 12, 2022

1

Salaamun Alaykum

I'm glad you pointed me to this post from your latest post. This is a splendid analysis - and the response by Dr Hany which was triggered by your post should be on the front cover of MQ its the very essence of understanding "why now". Thank You!

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