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Salaamun Alaykum

for one person, male you may say - salaamun alayka or omitting syllable of the last letter - salamun alayk

for one person, female you'd say - salaamun alayki or omitting the syllable of the last letter - salaamun alayk

you see 2 people, you may say - salaamun alaykuma - for male or female. sound very cultured, isn't it? but it's correct way to address 2 people, not really a common practice even by Arabs as far as I could tell.

of course, more that 2 people you would say - salaamun alaykum

for more than 2 people, and all female - you'd say salaamun alaykunna or omitting the last syllable for the last letter - salamun alaykunn - again not commonly heard but it's totally correct.

so why everyone are saying salaamun alaykum regardless of gender and number of people? well, it's an easy way out without having to enroll into arabic grammar class.

my 2 cents - do not take it so seriously.

or you just simply say - salaam (as ibrahim said to his guests)
just don't ever say as-salaamu alayya ....

Thanks. I will refef to the video of Ismaa'eel

SA,

Please watch the series on Sulayman. Particularly the videos related to Siyam.

Salaamun Alaykum,

revisit this link:-

https://www.marvelousquran.org/community/topics/96030/posts/536582-abrahamic-locution-duaa-for-24th-september-2024

Refer to YT81 Who was Abou Lahab

Copy from from christian lords prayer

Salaamun Alaykum,

Revisit YT183

FROM Timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/live/827OX1GdC4Q?si=E3wajHvwuE5uKDuh&t=1386

for some of the terms you cited.

"The context is contrasting the one who does not have al-birr (constancy) with the one who does have al-birr

Does this make sense?" Hold this thought for now till we fully understand all the labels.

See further how much toiling we can do with the existing material thus far

1. General

2. Post

Where are the "layers of understanding"?

عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed

3 yrOct 23, 2022

Salaamun Alaykum.

I was thinking about the ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ  as in the term ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ; This is a bit long and I will make use of a few quotes from Dr. Hany from his videos and as well from two of the members of this forum, to find certain perspectives.


Dr. Hany explained in YT63 (in the last part of the series on Sura Abasa) at (00:23:31) about ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ:
"It is the plural of, where this divine rain comes from. It is the plural of the quranic concept of the source of this divine rain. The source of this divine mercy and guidance that Allah swt provides to specific people. So when we read ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡض - as we shall see in many examples, we're talking about ٱلۡأَرۡض being the scriptural text and ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰت - the layers of understanding above it, from which Allah swt brings this divine rain to irrigate your Weltanschauung and repair it and help you, improve your access to the divine guidance in the Quran, Inshallah."

And many confusion about the Qareen that where present on this forum might get solved by asking, where are the layers of understanding?

Obviously the divine repair of our Weltanschauung happens to be an irrigation, but also a trimming of the Weltanschauung, as in YT138 explained, that the "Angels of the Weltanschauung", trim it and are send by Allah. As in YT138 explained, in the Sura Al-Zumar, the trimming by the Angels is related to the expression:  ٱلۡحَمۡدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلۡعَٰلَمِينَ.


There are  two posts from Suhail Sinnalebbe and Imran arif, I wanna share:

1) From Suhail Sinnalebbe:
https://www.marvelousquran.org/community/topics/35762/posts/129646
 
Quote: "Dr Hany translated رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ as The Lord of all the realms. I didn't quite understand this. Also, Dr Bassam Saeh in his book said that this expression is not found in any 7th century Arab poets literature. This word did not even exist. So I was quite curious about this expression.
I came across Surah 26:23-24,
قَالَ فِرۡعَوۡنُ وَمَا رَبُّ ٱلۡعَٰلَمِينَ
Said Pharaoh, "And what is رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ?"
قَالَ رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ
[Musa] said, "The Lord of the layers of understanding and the scriptural text and that between them, if you should be convinced."
These Ayaath seem to give the definition and it is an Abrahamic Locution! [...]" End Quote


Here we have the a second Janna' that "ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ" is related to the expression "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" as in the Ayah (39:75) which was discussed in YT138.

2) So the second post (a comment under a post) from Imran arif:
https://www.marvelousquran.org/community/topics/23661/posts/159708-traduction-of-3alamiin-in-al-fatiha

Quote: "Salamun Alaikum.
Just a few points to ponder. More information / guidance on the subject is welcome

The word "عالَمين" is from root "عَ لَ مَ" and same is the root for "عالِمين" plural with single being "عالِم" which is derived from morpheme "فاعِل" the doer; hence "عالِم"  will mean the knower and "عالِمين" will mean plural - The knowers.

As for "عالَمين" plural of "عالَم", it should be again from same root but morpheme "فاعَل" which actually does not exist in the arabic grammar (to my knowledge); hence I would call it a weakness in those who formulated Arabic Grammar; though more study / research can help identifying other words using morpheme "فاعَل" ... and then we can be sure;

From another angle, however, such vowel difference changes the object to subject and vice versa; like "مستقِر" and "مستقَر"  from  "مفعِل " and "مفعَل"
or  "مستفعِل " and "مستفعَل"   
Meaning "thing with which something is done" and " thing on which something is done"; like an annex of research by Dr Hany on  "قرر" YT-86 ; which indicates:-

“مُسْتَقَرٌّ” – Location (or time)  where something materializes or remains: (Additionally a time or place to seek or deliver insight)
“مُّسْتَقِرٌّ” - Some (thing/one) Firmly in a specific place or at specific time ; OR materialize Decidedly

Here change of Vowel (a to e) has changed the same thing from subject to object;
If this principle is applied, then "عالَم" should mean (instead of the one who knows) something thing about which the knower knows - that should translate into a Realm... meaning a domain of activity or interest or Knowledge; so when we say the Lord of All Realms , it would mean lord of all domains of knowledge...

Thanks" End Quote

First: the exact source is YT86 at (01:17:21) in a spreadsheet right a second after when Dr. Hany scrolls down.

Second: A clarification about the Kitab as (the Quran in) our Weltanschauung:

1.
(56:79) إِنَّهُۥ لَقُرۡءَانٞ كَرِيمٞ (56:77) فِي كِتَٰبٖ مَّكۡنُونٖ (56:78) لَّا يَمَسُّهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُونَ
["It is a noble Quran, in a conceiled record (the Weltanschauung), which is not affected except by the purified (Angels)."]
"The word ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُون decribes the angels. The angels have access to a conceiled record; كِتَٰبٖ مَّكۡنُون - hidden, conceiled, covered up. You don't have access to it yourself - the angels have access to it! And therefore it not you who can affected, who can influence it, change it, move it in any kind of direction you please; only the angels have access to it and the proof - again; كِتَٰب; is used in this Ayah from Surat Isra:
"(17:14) وَكُلَّ إِنسَٰنٍ أَلۡزَمۡنَٰهُ طَـٰٓئِرَهُۥ فِي عُنُقِهِۦ ۖ وَنُخۡرِجُ لَهُۥ يَوۡمَ ٱلۡقِيَٰمَةِ كِتَٰبٗا يَلۡقَىٰهُ مَنشُورًا (17:13) ٱقۡرَأۡ كِتَٰبَكَ كَفَىٰ بِنَفۡسِكَ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ عَلَيۡكَ حَسِيبٗا)" 
["... And on the day of 'Qiyamah' we bring out for every person a 'kitab', that he finds, on that day, exposed: Read your book. Today, your 'nafs' suffice as a record keeper over yourself.]
"ٱقۡرَأۡ كِتَٰبَكَ": It's your own book! This is what this Ayah [56:78] is talking about. Your own book, your own Weltanschauung, as we explained it."
[YT86; 00:14:54]

"So this Ayah right here from Surat Isra; And on the day of 'Qiyamah' we bring out for every person a 'kitab' - this is the exact same word 'kitab' [56:78]; 'kitab' for every person that he finds, on that day, exposed - in front of him! All of a sudden he sees exactly what was in his Weltanschauung. Read your book.Today, your 'nafs' suffice as a record keeper over yourself. And Allah swt in this Ayah is revealing to us, that we have been recording our own deeds, our own actions, our own thoughts, our own intentions. All of them in this 'kitab maknoon'. Therefore this 'Quran' [56:77], that is being talked about or discussed about in here - to understand it, you must really understand this concept of 'kitab maknoon'; فِي كِتَٰبٍ مَّكۡنُون. In other words: in your own Weltanschauung you take in the meanings of the Quran - as we explained. The meanings are not in the words. The 'kitab' that is being addressed in here [56:78] is not the physical tome - the book itself - no, it's not. it is talking about the 'kitab' that Allah preserves in your own 'nafs' and that 'nafs' is being totally monitored by the angels and modified and affected - affected: يَمَسُّهُ; by the angels.[(56:79) لَّا يَمَسُّهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُونَ ]."
[YT86; 00:16:44]

2.
(45:29) هَٰذَا كِتَٰبُنَا يَنطِقُ عَلَيۡكُم بِٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ إِنَّا كُنَّا نَسۡتَنسِخُ مَا كُنتُمۡ تَعۡمَلُونَ
„This here is our book (i.e., the Quran) proclaiming against you in truth: We have been having others (i.e., the Angels, or humans) strengthen all that you used to work (of terminology in your worldview).“
[YT54; 00:45:30]
„Allah swt is saying: Our book gave you the warnings, you refused them. And then we had others - either Angels or other humans strengthens the conclusions that you falsely reached.“
[YT54; 00:46:29]

As you can see, the correct Weltanschauung that is purified by "the Ayat of Allah from the Quran" - as the 'kitab' is proclaiming against those, who followed erroneous ways of toiling and therefore got affected by the Angels and the bad Qareen, is not just "your book", but the "message in your record" which is made accessible by the correction of the angels for your toiling".

And our Weltanschauung is also related to the dimension where the Qareen resides.


So in conclusion:
1. رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ (the lord of all realms [of the layers of understanding above the scripture with the scripture])
2. ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ (the layers of understanding)
3. كِتَٰبٍ مَّكۡنُون (the conceiled 'record')
4. كِتَٰبَكَ (your 'record')
5. ٱلۡعَرۡش (Weltanschauung)

are related concepts.

As Imran arif explained "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" it means "lord of all domains of knowledge". But it is also related to people:
The ending "ينَ" refers in Arabic grammar to people in masculine plural, which is used if the group is  either "male" or "male and female". So it would be also appropiate to translate "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" as:
" the nourishing lord of all people that are the domains of evidence based knowledge [about the layers of understanding above the scripture with the scripture]". 

(Remember: 
Surah 26:23-24: قَالَ فِرۡعَوۡنُ وَمَا رَبُّ ٱلۡعَٰلَمِينَ
Said Pharaoh, "And what is رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ?"
قَالَ رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ
[Musa] said, "The Lord of the layers of understanding [above the scripture] and [with] the scriptural text and that between them, if you should be convinced."

And as Imran arif wrote: "The word "عالَمين" is from root "عَ لَ مَ" and same is the root for "عالِمين" plural with single being "عالِم" which is derived from morpheme "فاعِل" the doer; hence "عالِم"  will mean the knower and "عالِمين" will mean plural - The knowers."   -  so, علم as the evidence based knowledge, and Allah as the العليم - the one who provides evidence based knowledge.)

I personally have the feeling that the line of Musa to Fir3aun:  رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ
doesn't mean just "The Lord of the layers of understanding [above the scripture] and [with] the scriptural text and that between them, if you should be convinced.", 
but that "وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ" could also be read as "and there is NOTHING (مَا  as a negation particle, instead of meaning "that": مَا ), between them." So between the layers of understanding are no "gaps inbetween" - could this be a reasonable concept? Or does it include also the scriptural text - that:
"وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَآۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ" means:
"there are no gaps in understanding (no room for doubts and unsolvable questions, no room for wild, wrong and confusing interpretation), between [the layers of understanding and the scriptural text], if you were among those with certainty  (مُّوقِنِينَ) (or those who receive certainty about the layers of understanding above the scripture with the scriptural text) [from their Rabb]." - I think these notions fit a bit more.


So I have certain crazy questions - I know they sound weird:

So could this mean that the "ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ"  exist in the same dimension, where our actual "evidence based knowledge" resides; in the abstract layer, where also the Ayat resides as part of our Weltanschauung? Could this mean, the Throne of Ar-Rahman is metaphysically everywhere in the Universe?
If the Angels irrigating and trimming the Weltanschauung and the Qareen also affect it, could this mean, that our universe is just a bubble of a bigger reality, where "our" mental constitution, was in existence before the evolution developed the brain - as a source-code, to develop the universe with humans and animals and brains having access to a Weltanschauung? 


So this is just a little bit of my wondering and pondering for today. I hope you had fun and thank you for reading.


Salaamun Alaykum.

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Ramon Quimson

3 yrOct 24, 2022

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MaasyaaAllah 

What did I just witness? 

Kitaab is part of nafs? Like shaytaan? 

Our beloved Tayr is truly a Luqman. Giving us luqm from day 1 till we’re ready to have this conversation. 

Salaamun alaykum 🥳

عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed

3 yrOct 24, 2022

5

Salaamun Alaykum.

That’s why people shouldn’t miss to watch the earlier segments. They seem „basic“, but they discuss so many important concepts, that built up to an advanced understanding.

Salaamun Alaykum.

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Baraka Gerngross

2 yrOct 24, 2022

2

ما شاء الله 
Thank you for the journey inside ourselves and the entire universe. It is a great example of unity
سلام عليكم

Mohammad -

3 yrOct 24, 2022

51

Salaamun Alaykum,

I have a theory/hypothesis which I'm yet to work on.

I (sort of) understand now that the Angels that tidy up the Arsh are Prophets and messengers. By the permission of Allah, they assist with solidifying and correcting your understanding of the Quran.
 - E.g. If you have a question about an Ayah to do with Musa, Allah commands Musa (the Angel maintaining your Arsh) to assist with your understanding of that Ayah.

My questions:
1) How many angels are mentioned in the Quran?
2) Are these named Angels specific Prophets and Messengers?
3) Could each of these Angels (i.e. Prophets or Messengers) be responsible for each of the layers of understanding?

I'd like to reiterate that this is simply a hypothesis, I haven't dug into it yet. 

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Mohammad -

3 yrOct 25, 2022

@Attaulhai Ahmed

JazakAllah bro

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Rani Ramo

3 yrOct 26, 2022

Salamun 3Alaykum,
Masha Allah, Nice work brother

Shaahid Abba

3 yrNov 12, 2022

1

Salaamun Alaykum

I'm glad you pointed me to this post from your latest post. This is a splendid analysis - and the response by Dr Hany which was triggered by your post should be on the front cover of MQ its the very essence of understanding "why now". Thank You!

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