Salaamun alaikum,
In the video yt158 the understanding concerning the diacritical markings of the Quraan being recorded decades after the demise of our rasuul Muhammad, as being reliable because they came to us thru ahadeeth mutawaatir presents a problem to me.
I do remember seeing videos of "original manuscripts of the Qur'aan being on display in museums around the world without the diacritical markings.
however my question is this:
If rasool muhammad was so extremely careful in writing certain words in the Qur'aan with two spellings, for example the word 3ithaam, samaawaat, etc., then why was he not also not able to write the qur'aan with the diacritical markings.
Dr. Hany's statement is that these were all related to us by hundreds, if not thousands of hadeeth, thus giving them credibility for belief.
If this is the case aren't we putting too much reliance on hadeeth for these very, very import markings such as shaddah, fatha, kasrah,and dhammah, which as we know gives us so much more indepth meaning other than what we were previously taught;, or should we question the understanding that these manuscripts of the Quraan, on display in museums in various countries, are not really original manuscripts.
Maybe I need to do more research on how these diacritical markings actually came about. But I don't feel comfortable with the fact that every diacritical marking in the Qur'aan came to us thru ahadeeth, even if they were mutawaatir.
Muhammad Mukhtar
Salamun Alaykum.
Please don't cry wolf where there is none. The Qur'an was first and foremost a reading before it was written. The diacritical marks, to my understanding, are just aid to reading. To people who are grounded in Arabic, they can read any text without the diacritical marks.
Mohammed Hassem
The diacritical markings were introduced by (from chatGPT and what I have read in historical boos) :
Caliph Uthman ibn Affan (r. 644-656 CE): He is credited with commissioning the first standardized written version of the Qur'an, though this version did not have the diacritical markings. (As I understand it, this is the main reference work for all Quraan's)
Caliph Al-Walid ibn Abd al-Malik (r. 705-715 CE): During his reign, the governor of Iraq, Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, is said to have played a role in introducing dots to distinguish between letters.
Yahya ibn Ya'mar and Al-Khalil ibn Ahmad al-Farahidi: These scholars, among others, are credited with further developing the system of diacritical markings in the subsequent centuries.
It's important to note that while the diacritical markings were introduced to aid in pronunciation and recitation, the oral transmission of the Qur'an (tajweed) has always been the primary method of preserving its correct recitation. The written aids were supplementary to this oral tradition.
So not according to Hadith, but there to ensure correct pronunciation by non-Arabic speaking nations.
GuIfam DhiIlon
Then the question would be how do we know that the correct pronunciation was written down and not the wrong one? These are the basic questions that have been asked for a very long time and will continue to be asked. But the answer to me is simple. I think that the evidence that the OQM has revealed shows us that what has been written is a preserved book. Why? Because if it was not, then we should see many inconsistencies within the application of the OQM, such that a coherent and consistent interpretation would be impossible. However, the OQM shows us that every nuance of spelling and pronunciation has a consistent meaning throughout the Quran, which would be impossible to maintain if the Quran was preserved in a way not true to the original recitation! The level of specificity of the stories and the use of specific locutions from one story to another, and applying specific markings with a dependable methodology reveals a consistent and coherent meaning which is a miracle that has been lost for the past 1400. This truly is a book and a religion unlike any other. Rasool Mohmammad was very careful with the deliverance of the message and its pronunciation, and we see that shine with the OQM unlike through traditional interpretations which struggles to make sense of the nuance.
Marvelous Quran
I grew up in an Arabic speaking country and we learned Arabic without diacritics, ever since Day 1 in kindergarten..
To this day, all newspapers, with very few words as an exception, have their Arabic text without diacritics. The vast majority of Arabic speakers, even today, do not need diacritics.
The orientalists (and one stupid hater of the MQ channel who is clearly not a Quran fan himself) try to make a big deal of diacritics.
The fourth caliph Ali ibn Abi Taalib commissioned one of his students, Abul-Asswad Ad-Du'aly, to come up with "diacritics" to put on the text in order to help the non-Arab readers. Additional Quran and Arabic specialists later added to that original system, again, strictly to help the non-Arabic readers.
But neither the written text of the Quran, nor the diacritics were ever the primary reference for the Quran: Memorization was always the basis. Most of the early generations memorized the full Quran during their first decade of their life.
To compare the memorization of the Quran to the memorization and transmission of narrations is silly because the number of Quran memorizers were hundreds and possibly thousands during the first 20 years after our beloved SAWS, whereas, the best narration transmission chain boasts 5 to 10 original memorizers in that chain for that narration: Many orders of magnitude of difference! And still, the variations of "Sanad" (the actual text of the narration) consistently show variations among the various transmission chains.
For the record: I never said: "these were all related to us by hundreds, if not thousands of hadeeth, thus giving them credibility for belief." PLEASE DO NOT MISQUOTE ME!
Finally, as br. Gulfam said above: When we have a methodology that shows the extremely high consistency, our certainty is increasing and our confidence in the preservation of the Quran becomes irrefutable.
Having said that, know that almost all orientalists (those are the skeptical among the Islamic studies Western and Western-trained scholars) never question the authenticity of the Quran that we have today. In the whole of human history, nothing else even comes close to the reliability of the Quran that we have.
As followers of the Quran, we believe Allahh when he told us that HE is the one who preserved it, not human beings! If you are not willing to accept the principles that are expressed in the Quran, then no toiling would be beneficial to any toiler. The OQM is built on these principles. And the OQM has not let us down alhamdulillah.
Muhammad Irfan Khan
I fully agree with Dr. Hany's assertion that "diacritics" were introduced to aid non-Arab readers. As a Pakistani with Urdu as my native language, I recognize the heavy influence of Arabic, Persian, and Turkish on Urdu. Interestingly, local Urdu newspapers omit "diacritics" yet remain comprehensible. For instance, the sentence "I am learning Quran Kareem through its Original Quranic Methodology" in Urdu: "میں قرآن کریم اسکے اپنے حقیقی قرانک طریقہ کار کے ذریعے سیکھ رہا ہوں" is understandable and pronounceable for natives, while presenting difficulties for foreigners without diacritics. Initially, within the Arab community, Quran Kareem didn't necessitate diacritics, but as Islam spread beyond, diacritics became essential for accurate pronunciation. Thus, both Arabs and non-Arabs now pronounce the Quran uniformly with diacritics, while non-Arabs may struggle to read day-to-day Arabic in the absence of these diacritics.
Yunus M
“As followers of the Quran, we believe Allahh when he told us that HE is the one who preserved it, not human beings! If you are not willing to accept the principles that are expressed in the Quran, then no toiling would be beneficial to any toiler. The OQM is built on these principles. And the OQM has not let us down alhamdulillah.”
—This is the part that I always hold closest to my heart and quickest to my tongue when I need to testify what the Quran is doing for me in my life.
When doubt creeps up, Suspend disbelief for a moment and hold on to one thing: Allahh swears and told us he preserves this Quran. Just accept that for a minute. Regard what you hold in your hands in this kitaab as a pristine gift from your lord. And then toil.
Before, OQM I studied for years to learn Quran and Arabic with almost no progress (and I’m no dummy - I speak multiple other languages and have learned languages in a matter of months when I have had to). But the tafsir and the dead dictionaries were stopping me. For me it was the video on Abu Lahab that shattered the wall blocking my learning - thank you Dr brother Hany for sharing your toiling.
Since then, it’s like the Quran is teaching me itself, by the permission of Allahh. I can actually read it now, in these few short months… Subhanallah.
The miracles I have seen in the ardh are proof -real burhan, not just ayat, simply by emptying my cup and taking hold of the rope of this promise from Allahh: This Quran is pure and intact, protected by Rabbul al’AAmeen.
SA
Aramide Bilqees
MaashaAllah