Salamun Aleykum, do you know also why they are still waiting and not accepting Jesus as their anbiya ? watch the series about Isa Ibn Maryam ( again ?)
yes i know , i figured out for a while now, i was hinting the OP to (re)watch the series on IBM. now you've kind of spoiled the plot :)
Mohammad -
Mohammad -
Nov 15, 2022
Salaamun Alaykum,
This just goes to show that we should never bring any of our prior baggage with us when seeking the truth from Allah.
So many erroneous claims were made simply by bringing over what people believed before.
We need to do more than just empty our cups, check to see that the cup isn't stained too. Go at it with a brillo pad.
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Nov 15, 2022
SA
Is not this Community Forum for engaging the Qur'an?
عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed
عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed
Nov 15, 2022
@Ilyas Picard Salaamun Alaykum.
Sorry to say this, but this image has no basis - it doesn’t even provide the textual references from where these „coincidences“ are collected from.
It came to my attention that the author who first mentioned these „similarities“ made it completely up by himself.
I don’t say the virgin-birth concept has not any basis, but this picture in particular doesn’t contribute to the „external evidences“ that would give us an advantage as a community who is heavily focused on evidence based knowledge and linguistic references for possible applicable evidences to validate or falsify in accordance with the Qurans principles and hints of certain „unspoken facts“; like the unspoken fact that Yussuf acted as if he was dumb and deaf in the story plot of his childhood in Sura Yussuf); to find a proof for claims, related to the Rasul and Nabiyoon in the Quran.
I hope I could explain it as clear as possible what standards are expected in this community as a valid interpretation.
Salaamun Alaykum.
Martin Rosenkvist
Martin Rosenkvist
Nov 17, 2022
It is astrotheology. That sphere around (and above) the head of Osiris, Mithra and Jesus is so in your face it is hard to miss. It is not a symbol of "enlightenment", its the sun. The english language have a funny quirk where 'sun' and 'son' is pronounced almost the same. "Dionysus wears a headband (corona, which is why kings who rule by divine right and therefore represents the sun/son are instated with a 'coronation' ritual with a crown).
In the Orphic tradition, a saying was supposedly given by an oracle of Apollo that stated "Zeus, Hades, [and] Helios-Dionysus" were "three gods in one godhead". This statement apparently conflated Dionysus not only with Hades, but also his father Zeus, and implied a particularly close identification with the sun-god Helios"
The sun has 12 followers, we call them "months". The sun walks on water (reflection). The sun is born from a virgin.
This virgin
The sun receives a kiss from a traitor (scorpio) and dies. Lies dead for three days and then resurrects. etc. Same story but with variation according to local temperament and geo position.
edit: added "which is why kings who rule by divine right and therefore represents the sun/son are instated with a 'coronation' ritual with a crown"
As the communities grew larger as a direct result of adhering strictly to their theology there came a time and place to consider questions of ethics and morality and the stories developed new layers and its original use found other expressions. Such as more efficient calendars and almanaks. A similar movement can be observed among free masons. From being a practical builders guild to an exercise in intellectualism that have spawned a lot of expressions in use in English today. "We are square", "three square meals", "its is the foundation of...", "understanding" (to stand under what is being constructed to evaluate its sturdiness) etc..
The problem is that the city can easily become a cancerous growth and its ideas will begin to reflect this. So how would you reboot this layer of understanding? It could only come from outside the city in a place less entangled in its vices. A place like...I dunno, a desert maybe? The top of a tall mountain? Somewhere that allows you to observe without being too invested (emotionally or otherwise) in its noise or outcomes.
k altun
do you know also why they are still waiting and not accepting Jesus as their anbiya ?
watch the series about Isa Ibn Maryam ( again ?)
k altun
yes i know , i figured out for a while now, i was hinting the OP to (re)watch the series on IBM. now you've kind of spoiled the plot :)
Mohammad -
This just goes to show that we should never bring any of our prior baggage with us when seeking the truth from Allah.
So many erroneous claims were made simply by bringing over what people believed before.
We need to do more than just empty our cups, check to see that the cup isn't stained too.
Go at it with a brillo pad.
Is not this Community Forum for engaging the Qur'an?
عطاء اَلحیّ احمد | Attaulhai Ahmed
Salaamun Alaykum.
Sorry to say this, but this image has no basis - it doesn’t even provide the textual references from where these „coincidences“ are collected from.
It came to my attention that the author who first mentioned these „similarities“ made it completely up by himself.
I don’t say the virgin-birth concept has not any basis, but this picture in particular doesn’t contribute to the „external evidences“ that would give us an advantage as a community who is heavily focused on evidence based knowledge and linguistic references for possible applicable evidences to validate or falsify in accordance with the Qurans principles and hints of certain „unspoken facts“;
like the unspoken fact that Yussuf acted as if he was dumb and deaf in the story plot of his childhood in Sura Yussuf);
to find a proof for claims, related to the Rasul and Nabiyoon in the Quran.
I hope I could explain it as clear as possible what standards are expected in this community as a valid interpretation.
Salaamun Alaykum.
Martin Rosenkvist
In the Orphic tradition, a saying was supposedly given by an oracle of Apollo that stated "Zeus, Hades, [and] Helios-Dionysus" were "three gods in one godhead". This statement apparently conflated Dionysus not only with Hades, but also his father Zeus, and implied a particularly close identification with the sun-god Helios"
The sun has 12 followers, we call them "months". The sun walks on water (reflection). The sun is born from a virgin.
This virgin
The sun receives a kiss from a traitor (scorpio) and dies. Lies dead for three days and then resurrects. etc. Same story but with variation according to local temperament and geo position.
edit: added "which is why kings who rule by divine right and therefore represents the sun/son are instated with a 'coronation' ritual with a crown"
Martin Rosenkvist
The problem is that the city can easily become a cancerous growth and its ideas will begin to reflect this. So how would you reboot this layer of understanding? It could only come from outside the city in a place less entangled in its vices. A place like...I dunno, a desert maybe? The top of a tall mountain? Somewhere that allows you to observe without being too invested (emotionally or otherwise) in its noise or outcomes.
/tangent